Alpha, I really appreciated the deep dive you did with Anastasia on the biotic pump – the way you broke down complex systems into something relatable was fantastic. It's rare to hear this topic explained in a way that clicks immediately.
I noticed you're proposing a new experiment to demonstrate the dynamics of condensation-driven airflow. It’s an exciting direction, and I totally get why you'd want to explore it hands-on. There’s something about physically running an experiment that makes the theory come alive in a way papers can’t.
At the same time, I couldn't help but think of Peter Bunyard’s chamber experiment. He had some solid results showing significant airflow driven by condensation – and the kinetic energy he recorded was pretty remarkable. If his experiment already demonstrated that correlation, I’m curious – do you see something his setup might have missed, or is there a different angle you're looking to highlight?
I imagine there’s value in refining the model, or maybe even simplifying it for wider demonstration. There’s always that lingering question – what if we overlooked something that only reveals itself through a fresh attempt?
I’d love to hear more about where you see the biggest gap or opportunity. I could be missing something, but it feels like you're onto something that might push the conversation further.
I heard Makarieva talking about Bunyard's experiment once. She said he what he did was not the biotic pump, it was another phenomena. I cant remember what she said though. I didnt quite understand at the time. .... I am wondering in the rectangular pipe model, if one could do calculations on it first, before doing the physical experiment. This way we can see what theory would say about the biotic pump, from another angle.
Excellent podcast. Thank you. You refer to Milan Milan several times, but I can't find an interview with this person? Is it available? Thanks.
I interviewed him in April last year. Here is the podcast https://climatewaterproject.substack.com/p/land-use-and-climate-change-an-interview#details
Thanks a lot.
That lead me to Rob Lewis's article here https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-07-17/millan-millan-and-the-mystery-of-the-missing-mediterranean-storms/
yep rob lewis article is amazing
Studies of the biotic pump in grasslands and marshes could be interesting as it relates Mediterranean climates
Yes this might be interesting. The grasslands evapotranspire less than forests, but they could have an impact nonetheless
not to mention the heartland of Turtle Island!
Alpha, I really appreciated the deep dive you did with Anastasia on the biotic pump – the way you broke down complex systems into something relatable was fantastic. It's rare to hear this topic explained in a way that clicks immediately.
I noticed you're proposing a new experiment to demonstrate the dynamics of condensation-driven airflow. It’s an exciting direction, and I totally get why you'd want to explore it hands-on. There’s something about physically running an experiment that makes the theory come alive in a way papers can’t.
At the same time, I couldn't help but think of Peter Bunyard’s chamber experiment. He had some solid results showing significant airflow driven by condensation – and the kinetic energy he recorded was pretty remarkable. If his experiment already demonstrated that correlation, I’m curious – do you see something his setup might have missed, or is there a different angle you're looking to highlight?
I imagine there’s value in refining the model, or maybe even simplifying it for wider demonstration. There’s always that lingering question – what if we overlooked something that only reveals itself through a fresh attempt?
I’d love to hear more about where you see the biggest gap or opportunity. I could be missing something, but it feels like you're onto something that might push the conversation further.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
I heard Makarieva talking about Bunyard's experiment once. She said he what he did was not the biotic pump, it was another phenomena. I cant remember what she said though. I didnt quite understand at the time. .... I am wondering in the rectangular pipe model, if one could do calculations on it first, before doing the physical experiment. This way we can see what theory would say about the biotic pump, from another angle.
I'd say check his paper abd form an independent opinion. Here's the link, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319896394_Condensation_and_partial_pressure_change_as_a_major_cause_of_airflow_Experimental_evidence
Amazing article and podcast! Wow!