What a trove of a list, thanks for putting it together - I find something completely mind-blowing about water about once every three months, and I see at least two more here.
I think learning how to apply the Two water worlds paradox (Brookes et al 2010 Two water worlds paradox trees and streams return different water pools to the hydrosphere, paper also findable as Ecohydrologic separation of water between trees and streams in a Mediterranean climate DOI: 10.1038/NGEO722). About different water isotopes forming semi-distinct volumes in soil I think as discrete micro pockets. Several mind blowing possibilities, and truly a strange feeling to read the paper and then go for a walk in a flooding rainstorm and just ponder.
Something I've been trying to find out is - do freshwater mussels fractionate water? as if they do some really interesting things are possible with pollution control and also working with water fractions in general.
Water use and AI I find interesting as in Melbourne there is push back on two data centers they wish to build using the equivalent of 330 000 residents water usage, but if this water were extracted at a point of release and reinjected evenly into the system so the temperature was most evenly distributed you would find that hot water bills per household would decrease and there would be no interruption to supply. Ai figures showed an increase of 5 degrees C on average which would raise a winter low of 10-13 to 15-18 and a summer high of 17-20 to 22-25 and would offer cost savings of up to 50c per day to hot water bills.
Many of the other problems ae currently under investigation but as you rightly point out since water is the life blood of the planet their research is crucial, especially in relation to nutrient creation, recycling and movement. Many thanks
That is what I am saying , this is water that we have in storage and is already filtered and chlorinated which we can charge the data center for, then reincorporate back into the system warming the water already in circulation. Thus pass not only the water saving (as it is already paid for) but also the energy it contains in the form of extra heat on to the end consumer which is typically for home use. Why can we not use the same water twice to the benefit of all the colder regions in the world?
Yes using water more than once is very important. It will help reduce water usage considerably. Paul Callaghan who I interviewed recently ( https://climatewaterproject.substack.com/p/our-blue-world-documentary-paul-ocallaghan ), is part of Bluetech water, which works with companies to have them reuse the water........ Within large context though, even if we reuse water many times, the global water cycle probably cant support the growth of AI.
I’ve been contemplating another question that might belong on your list: given the shifting of water states in our warming climate, does the increase in the ratio of gas/atmospheric water combined with sea level rise necessarily mean that the absolute volume of fresh liquid water must also decrease? I.e., if the fixed volume of earth’s water is shifting to the atmosphere and the ocean, then are rivers, lakes, and aquifers necessarily decreasing in volume? And does ice volume conversion merely forestall this inevitability, or does it countervail toward equilibrium?
This may seem a naive question - it’s one that ought to already have an answer - but if the answer is yes, the climate’s effects on water state volumes means fresh surface and subsurface water is declining globally, then it seems the priorities and attention of the climate community, indeed humanity, are off the mark. Hurricanes, floods, droughts, fires, sea level rise, though worsening, are masking our most pressing problem: freshwater depletion.
Yes, research studies indicate freshwater is decreasing. And yes that’s a big problem leading to water scarcity, food production issues, more fires, and less vegetation growth.
Nice work, Very timely questions, might be a few overlapping ones that could simultaneously be resolved. Roundtable numbers are growing. In a week or so I d like to chat with you either inmail on linked in or we can just send messages on email or maybe test back and forth
I'm not opposed to a zoom just you and I to have a discussion and plans we might consider putting out to this larger group. We might have 12-15 folks for the roundtable.
You have a category ‘Interfaces with society’ but it doesn’t cover the problems in the article below. Possibly ‘Best management practices in differing environments’ would fit leaving aside the thorny issue of public vs private ownership.
Funny coincidence. Found this post next to the 2nd chapter of my novel that has a water expert as the main character. And while it is not a scientific book by any means, it does place water central. A future dam repurpose goes haywire. And the hydrologist gets blamed...
I am dead curious. What would a real water-expert see in what happens in this story?
There are hydrologists that tend to favor more grey infrastructure (dams and aqueducts) solutions, and ones that favor more nature based solutions. Perhaps we see in the story a switch to nature based solutions.
What a trove of a list, thanks for putting it together - I find something completely mind-blowing about water about once every three months, and I see at least two more here.
I think learning how to apply the Two water worlds paradox (Brookes et al 2010 Two water worlds paradox trees and streams return different water pools to the hydrosphere, paper also findable as Ecohydrologic separation of water between trees and streams in a Mediterranean climate DOI: 10.1038/NGEO722). About different water isotopes forming semi-distinct volumes in soil I think as discrete micro pockets. Several mind blowing possibilities, and truly a strange feeling to read the paper and then go for a walk in a flooding rainstorm and just ponder.
Something I've been trying to find out is - do freshwater mussels fractionate water? as if they do some really interesting things are possible with pollution control and also working with water fractions in general.
These are awesome! As someone lacking experience and knowledge in the area, it’s easy enough for me to understand and still be really meaningful.
cool! glad you found it useful
Water use and AI I find interesting as in Melbourne there is push back on two data centers they wish to build using the equivalent of 330 000 residents water usage, but if this water were extracted at a point of release and reinjected evenly into the system so the temperature was most evenly distributed you would find that hot water bills per household would decrease and there would be no interruption to supply. Ai figures showed an increase of 5 degrees C on average which would raise a winter low of 10-13 to 15-18 and a summer high of 17-20 to 22-25 and would offer cost savings of up to 50c per day to hot water bills.
Many of the other problems ae currently under investigation but as you rightly point out since water is the life blood of the planet their research is crucial, especially in relation to nutrient creation, recycling and movement. Many thanks
One of the issues is that we need a lot of water to cool data centers right now, and that need will increase a lot in the future.
That is what I am saying , this is water that we have in storage and is already filtered and chlorinated which we can charge the data center for, then reincorporate back into the system warming the water already in circulation. Thus pass not only the water saving (as it is already paid for) but also the energy it contains in the form of extra heat on to the end consumer which is typically for home use. Why can we not use the same water twice to the benefit of all the colder regions in the world?
Yes using water more than once is very important. It will help reduce water usage considerably. Paul Callaghan who I interviewed recently ( https://climatewaterproject.substack.com/p/our-blue-world-documentary-paul-ocallaghan ), is part of Bluetech water, which works with companies to have them reuse the water........ Within large context though, even if we reuse water many times, the global water cycle probably cant support the growth of AI.
I’ve been contemplating another question that might belong on your list: given the shifting of water states in our warming climate, does the increase in the ratio of gas/atmospheric water combined with sea level rise necessarily mean that the absolute volume of fresh liquid water must also decrease? I.e., if the fixed volume of earth’s water is shifting to the atmosphere and the ocean, then are rivers, lakes, and aquifers necessarily decreasing in volume? And does ice volume conversion merely forestall this inevitability, or does it countervail toward equilibrium?
This may seem a naive question - it’s one that ought to already have an answer - but if the answer is yes, the climate’s effects on water state volumes means fresh surface and subsurface water is declining globally, then it seems the priorities and attention of the climate community, indeed humanity, are off the mark. Hurricanes, floods, droughts, fires, sea level rise, though worsening, are masking our most pressing problem: freshwater depletion.
Yes, research studies indicate freshwater is decreasing. And yes that’s a big problem leading to water scarcity, food production issues, more fires, and less vegetation growth.
Nice work, Very timely questions, might be a few overlapping ones that could simultaneously be resolved. Roundtable numbers are growing. In a week or so I d like to chat with you either inmail on linked in or we can just send messages on email or maybe test back and forth
I'm not opposed to a zoom just you and I to have a discussion and plans we might consider putting out to this larger group. We might have 12-15 folks for the roundtable.
You have a category ‘Interfaces with society’ but it doesn’t cover the problems in the article below. Possibly ‘Best management practices in differing environments’ would fit leaving aside the thorny issue of public vs private ownership.
https://fee.org/articles/spain-burns/
The interfaces with society category is part of the list made by the 230 hydrologists.
Funny coincidence. Found this post next to the 2nd chapter of my novel that has a water expert as the main character. And while it is not a scientific book by any means, it does place water central. A future dam repurpose goes haywire. And the hydrologist gets blamed...
I am dead curious. What would a real water-expert see in what happens in this story?
Bertus
There are hydrologists that tend to favor more grey infrastructure (dams and aqueducts) solutions, and ones that favor more nature based solutions. Perhaps we see in the story a switch to nature based solutions.